Building AI Products That Actually Work — Ben Hylak (Raindrop), Sid Bendre (Oleve)
Jul 24, 2025 · 18:42
Ben Hylak (Raindrop) and Sid Bendre (Oleve) argue that building reliable AI products requires iterative real-world signals over traditional evals. Ben debunks eval myths—evals don't measure product quality, LLM-as-judge fails, and production evals are costly—and stresses tracking explicit signals (thumbs up/down, copy rate) and implicit signals (refusals, frustration) to identify issues. Sid introduces Trellis, a framework for scaling viral AI apps that uses discretization—breaking infinite output into intent buckets—prioritization by volume times negative sentiment times achievable delta, and recursive refinement. Starting with an MVP, teams classify user intents, convert them into semi-deterministic workflows, then repeatedly drill into sub-intents to engineer repeatable, attributable magic. Oleve's approach, powered by Raindrop, has scaled six viral products to $6M ARR profitably with four people.
